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Weak Support for Lessig's Petition
posted by mpawlo on Thursday August 07, @05:14PM
from the come-on-now-you-americans-you dept.
Copyright As previousy reported by Greplaw, Professor Lessig et al has launched a petition in order to build support for the Eric Eldred Act. The Eric Eldred Act is an effort to reclaim the public domain in the U.S, by using a 'tiny tax' designed to move unused copyrighted work into the public domain.

Since June 3, only some 17,700 individuals has signed the petition. This is a surprisingly weak support for the Eldred Act. Personally, I have some objections to the Eldred Act, but I gathered the hacker crowd was positive towards the suggested changes. Maybe online petitions do not work anymore, maybe no one cares about copyright, maybe the act is to complex to grasp for most people, maybe some care, but dislike the actual proposal. My fear is that very few have learned about the petition. But I am even more scared by the thought that no one cares. And that scaring thought is the thought that sticks. Anyway, here is another shot to prove me wrong. But if you do not like the proposal as such - comment here at Greplaw and tell Professor Lessig why. Following this news item I want 10,000 comments or 10,000 more signatures. Otherwise you just do not care and that is not acceptable.

Sign the petition.

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    Privacy (Score:1)
    by Dave on Thursday August 07, @09:21PM (#983)
    User #720 Info
    If it were a paper petition I'd sign it.

    So why not an online petition? Because if I sign something on the net, anyone who runs my name through Google finds this. I'm not sure I want this to be one of the first things someone potentially learns about me.

    I do participate in the politics of IP, but I look back on my writings from ten years ago, and I wouldn't want them on the net now.

    If there were a way to sign the petition online, but not have the name posted (stored in a database for congressional representatives), would anyone else sign it?

    star wars kid... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 07, @10:47PM (#984)
    the star wars kid has more signatures at ~50,000 [petitiononline.com] than the Lessig petition!
    You want 10,000? (Score:2)
    by Seth Finkelstein (reversethis-{moc.fhtes} {ta} {fhtes}) on Friday August 08, @02:39AM (#985)
    User #31 Info | http://sethf.com/

    Following this news item I want 10,000 comments or 10,000 more signatures. Otherwise you just do not care and that is not acceptable.

    What??? Greplaw doesn't even have 10,000 readers!

    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:1)
    by Rumor on Friday August 08, @10:26AM (#989)
    User #715 Info
    And some of us are Canadian. Unfortunately, in this case. (Fortunately, otherwise! At least until I move somewhere better.)
    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @01:04PM (#997)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    'And some of us are Canadian.'

    You may sign anyway!
    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:1)
    by Arioch of Chaos on Saturday August 09, @03:00AM (#1010)
    User #674 Info
    Indeed, you can. My being Swedish was the reason for not signing when I first came across the petition. I have signed it now.
    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 08, @12:52PM (#996)
    What??? Greplaw doesn't even have 10,000 readers!

    The plus side to that is that we don't have to worry about being tricked into hitting tubgirl and goatse.cx links. (damnit...it pisses me off when I fall for those)

    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @02:50PM (#1001)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    'What??? Greplaw doesn't even have 10,000 readers!'

    I guess you put the burden of proof on the Greplaw crew, even though made the accusation. Anyway, I have asked Miguel and Hal to run the numbers. If we don't have at least 10,000 visitors per month something is seriously wrong.

    Regards,

    Mikael
    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:2)
    by Seth Finkelstein (reversethis-{moc.fhtes} {ta} {fhtes}) on Friday August 08, @03:57PM (#1004)
    User #31 Info | http://sethf.com/
    I guess you put the burden of proof on the Greplaw crew, even though made the accusation.

    It actually comes from the statistical analysis I've done on my website. If you want me to walk you through the statistics, I can. I'd estimate that Greplaw has about 1,000 daily readers, very roughly. That is, people who are going to see your call to sign the petition in the immediate future.

    Heck, look at my blog entry Slashdot Reflect II [sethf.com] for a musing on such numbers.

    That's "readers", not "page views" - I've generated a bunch of page views and site-hits from posting these comments, but I'm just one reader.

    You also have to be careful in crunching numbers to throw out search-bots. When Google hits my site, it generated hundreds of hits, but that's not hundreds of readers.

    Note I didn't mean, "Over a month, there aren't 10,000 people who will see at least one page from Greplaw" - heck, by that measure, my site might even qualify. I meant "There aren't even 10,000 people who are going to see your call to sign the petition in the near future, assuming just Greplaw" (if Slashdot picks it up, obviously this changes).

    site down? (Score:1)
    by scubacuda (scubacudaNO@SPAMiname.com) on Friday August 08, @06:15PM (#1006)
    User #483 Info | http://www.greplaw.org/
    Just went to your link, and couldn't get anything...

    There are a thousand forms of subversion, but few can equal the convenience and immediacy of a cream pie. Noel Godin

    Re:You want 10,000? (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Saturday August 09, @08:17AM (#1011)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    I am still awaiting those numbers. Anyway, my comment regarding the 10,000 was of course tounge-in-cheek, but seriously it is really, really sad if only 1,000 individuals follow Greplaw, considering the effort we put into this [harvard.edu].
    Weak support for petition (Score:1)
    by edFactor on Friday August 08, @01:10PM (#998)
    User #610 Info | http://grep.law.harvard.edu/
    First off, I have signed and I support the petition and act. I have said it before: this effort is unfortunately going nowhere. A rallying cry like "enhance the public domain" will appeal to members of the EFF and people with degrees in library science. When spooks wanted more spying and police powers, they didn't draft an act and call it, "The Omnibus Surveillance and Police Powers Act." They called it "The Patriot Act".

    The 'free culture' movement is the most politically tone-deaf group I have ever been part of. We all believe that the efforts of the free culture movement will create a more vibrant, diverse culture that will make this a better world. Why aren't we talking about that instead of copyright law?
    Re:Weak support for petition (Score:1)
    by Seth Finkelstein (reversethis-{moc.fhtes} {ta} {fhtes}) on Friday August 08, @02:45PM (#999)
    User #31 Info | http://sethf.com/
    In most groups, one gets status and reputation for saying things popular with the group, to the group (the inverse of this effect has been my undoing ...). Real work to achieve the group's goals, is in fact very far down the list of rewarded items :-(
    Re:Weak support for petition (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @03:04PM (#1003)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    'In most groups, one gets status and reputation for saying things popular with the group, to the group (the inverse of this effect has been my undoing ...). Real work to achieve the group's goals, is in fact very far down the list of rewarded items :-('

    I have the opposite experience. Most groups I have participated in have not only rewarded actual work but also severely punished the everpresent chatterboxes. In the initial phase of a project, chatterboxes are highly regarded, but as the project moves forward and the chatterboxes just keep talking, they are often removed from the project altogether. It is very much like dating, I am told .-)

    Regards,

    Mikael
    Re:Weak support for petition (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @02:54PM (#1002)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    ' The 'free culture' movement is the most politically tone-deaf group I have ever been part of.'

    How should it be redesigned to better appeal to the public?

    I am certain Professor Lessig et al would be most grateful for any suggestions and especially bumper-sticker-suggestions.

    Regards,

    Mikael
    How about... (Score:1)
    by LuYu on Sunday August 10, @09:40AM (#1020)
    User #460 Info | http://grep.law.harvard.edu/

    How about something like:

    The RIAA is lobbying to make your children stupid.
    ... or something like that. The Internet has caused a tremendous surge in creative productivity since the appearance of the WWW. Everyone who has been on the Internet has seen this surge dampened by the chilling effects of RIAA's and other content provider's attempts to revive their monopolistic tryrannies.

    Without libraries online, all children lose. Period.

    "Anyone who doesn't quote me is paraphrasing."
    How? (Score:1)
    by LuYu on Sunday August 10, @09:51AM (#1021)
    User #460 Info | http://grep.law.harvard.edu/

    There are a few things I still cannot figure out about Lessig's proposal (although it is the best one that I have heard yet). The one I am the most concerned with, though, is how would taxes be collected without registration? If no one knows that the taxable item exists, how can taxes be collected?

    Automatic copyright makes record keeping a nightmare. After 50 years, the nightmare is exponentially multiplied. It might not be known that a person existed, much less that he actually created anything. How would this be taxed? Without the author, who is to say when the work was created? Was it 50 years ago or only 30? What does a person that finds a document in an attic do? Will someone owe back taxes on that document if the author has not paid?

    "Anyone who doesn't quote me is paraphrasing."

    Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition. - Isaac Asimov

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