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Lessig on Mantatory <porn>Tags
posted by scubacuda on Tuesday September 07, @04:00AM
from the <censorship>? dept.
Censorship In this Wired article, Larry Lessig writes:
If Congress does nothing about porn on the Internet, then the market will supply technologies to regulate it: filters. But porn filters are idiotic....What rules would be effective? Imagine a simple requirement that commercial Web sites carrying material deemed "harmful to minors" mark that content with a newly minted metadata tag - say, <porn>. (Obviously, the details of making this system work are another matter.) The tag could be read by HTML-rendering software but would be invisible to users....If such a rule were effectively enforced, it would spur the market to supply browsers that parents could use to block <porn>-tagged content, essentially creating "kids-mode" browsing. Developers would thus supply a technology inspired by law to achieve a policy that better protects speech than no law at all.

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    Take a look at PICS (Score:1)
    by staffan on Tuesday September 07, @05:52AM (#1620)
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    Lessig writes: "Obviously, the details of making this system work are another matter". PICS, Platform for Internet Content Selection, is an established W3C standard for classifying content. Any jurisdiction that wishes to make effective content filtering possible could define a PICS vocabulary, and enforce content publishers within that jurisdiction to label their content if it's pornographic. SafeSurf and other filtering systems already makes use of PICS labels. The only reason that "porn filters are idiotic", as Lessig writes, is that they use heuristics alongside of PICS based filtering.

    So, the technical foundation is already in place.
    of course... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07, @03:11PM (#1621)
    of course, every decent hypertext/XML geek knows that the proper tag should be <porn/>. That is, the slash is considered proper form for stand-alone tags (like <br/>). Joe Hall ( http://pobox.com/~joehall/nqb2/ )
    Re:of course... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 07, @03:54PM (#1622)
    No, it would be Your geek card will be revoked.
    Re:of course... (Score:1)
    by psxndc on Tuesday September 07, @11:40PM (#1623)
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    No, see the <pr0n> tag must enclose the porn. A free standing tag is basically just a code for masturbation.

    -p-

    That would be the correct solution if... (Score:1)
    by LuYu on Wednesday September 08, @03:03AM (#1624)
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    Mr. Lessig once again has come up with a very sensible solution. However, he solved the wrong problem from the point of view of the government.

    Politicians like Ashcroft who rail against "porn" on the Internet are using it as a tool like they use "terrorism" in the real world. The term "porn" is being used to villify the Internet and as a call to identify everyone who accesses the Internet.

    Like "terrorism", "porn" is one of those perfect words with which a politician can always make it look like he is fighting crime while he is simultaneously increasing his power over an uncontrolled medium. There is no way to advocate freedom when that freedom is to distribute "dirty" pictures or videos.

    So, while I think that Lessig's solution would virtually eliminate child access to online porn, it has little hope of being adopted by governments in whose interest it is to identify everyone who has access to the Internet. In fact, I would not be surprised if more than 99% of real porn sites today had meta tags marking them obviously as porn sites. This may be true if only for the sake of search engine scores.

    Another thing to think about is this: What benefit would (even illegitimate) porn mongers have to gain from distributing to children? Children do not have credit cards. Children do not buy sex toys. At best, they would be viewing popup ads -- which would be waisted advertising because they are never going to pay for anything. Really, the only place children may not be able to be protected is in email from porn spam.

    Considering the risk of social and governmental reprisals for distributing to minors, it would obviously be in every porn purveyor's interest to tag their porn. Especially from the stand point of search engine placement. Further, it cannot be argued that it is too difficult as restricted access through passwords and copyright notices are much more difficult to implement.

    Maybe someone should do a survey of porn sites on the Internet to discover what percentage are obviously marked as porn in the meta tags. Then again, who would want to have a term like "porn" associated with their degree. "I wrote my doctorial thesis on the global distribution of pornography on the Internet" would not sound good in an interview...

    "Anyone who doesn't quote me is paraphrasing."
    What Quality the Filters? (Score:1)
    by thebaron on Wednesday September 15, @12:56PM (#1632)
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    In the default limiter Lessig points out - it's a shame that business interests may be left to 'filter' porn. Both Business Interests and Developers of browser technology may think they know better than parents, politicians and misc. governing bodies... but they don't. I agree with Lessig - however what a pity that law addresses many many things that are not nearly so important as a deteriant of society - porn.
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    What is this "porn"? And who gets to decide? (Score:1)
    by E Anderson on Thursday September 16, @09:49AM (#1634)
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    It appears to me that the problem with Lessig's suggestion lies in the too-quickly dismissed details. In Lessig's article, these issues get hidden in the parenthetical: "Obviously, the details of making this system work are another matter." Well, this seems to me like a very serious problem. A system such as Lessig proposes would have to be very complex and would be subject to bureaucratic abuse. I think these details matter. For example: What counts as porn? Where exactly is the line between porn and art? Between porn and legitimate educational materials? Who picks the standards and who compels compliance? Obviously, there are tremendous regional variations in community standards about sexually explicit materials, and these distinctions are even wider in a global forum. So, which definition of "porn" gets used? Whose set of community standards? Los Angeles? Dallas? Stockholm? Jakarta? How do we even decide who gets to decide? Taking, say, MPAA standards and imposing them on the rest of the world is not likely to be particularily sucessful.... Finally, NetNanny and ilk fit into the broader trend of the last 25 years -- seeking private solutions to what are arguably public problems. Bad water in your town? Buy a filter. Too much porn on-line? Same solution. Perhaps a complex version of Lessig's suggestion could deal with the issue of regional/cultural variation, but it runs squarely into the broader U.S. trend against public solutions.

    Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition. - Isaac Asimov

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