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Somoa Concerned About Internet Porn
posted by scubacuda on Tuesday August 31, @07:19PM
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Censorship thebaron writes "Ethical Dilemna at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3590354.stm
The Pacific island nation of Samoa is looking to the internet as a way of developing its economy. The United Nations Development Programme has pledged US$400,000. Prime Minister Malielegaoi says the advantages are vast. BUT... "We're exposing ourselves to a whole lot of philosophies and ways of life, bringing in a lot of western values." Samoan culture is centred around the traditional family unit. Of particular concern to many people is web pornography.
Screw the effect of porn (aka 'free speech') on communities like these? Or accept that 'free speech' has limitations?

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    Um, er, well, um... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 01, @09:34AM (#1615)
    ... that would be "screw em", Bob.

    Let's all say it again. Communities don't have rights. Cultures don't have rights. Ethnicities don't have rights. Nations don't have rights. Governments don't have rights. Corporations don't have rights. These are mindless aggregates, many of them totally artificial, and none of them possessing the dignity of a human being.

    Only real, sentient, individual beings deserve to be treated with dignity. Only these can have rights in anything but a very formal, narrow, legalistic sense. Their real rights always trump the artificial "rights" of aggregates.

    There is no dilemma here. The liberty of individuals in Samoa, or anywhere else, is infinitely more important than anybody's desire to preserve a culture. That includes not only the liberty of mind and its offspring, the freedom of speech, but frankly the liberty to masturbate to pornography just because it feels good.

    If somebody doesn't like that, then, yeah, screw them. In the unlikely event that it destroys a culture, then so much worse for that culture.

    Re:Um, er, well, um... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 08, @08:16PM (#1710)
    You are a fucking loser you desperate pervert i hope you burn in hell
    The article provides the answer (Score:1)
    by Merc on Wednesday September 01, @02:05PM (#1616)
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    Samoan culture is centred around the traditional family unit, each headed by a Matai or Chief. Attendance at Christian church services is high.

    Samoan culture is thousands of years old, yet they attend christian churches. Obviously their culture changed after they made contact with outsiders who were christians (probably missionaries).

    Culture isn't static. It changes over time. There's no doubt that having access to the Internet will change their culture, but I doubt it will be as big a change as the introduction of christianity.

    If you look at their reasons for wanting internet access, you'll see that it could help strengthen their culture. Right now they're a small, relatively poor island, cut off from the outside world. They want Internet access to be able to talk to relatives in New Zealand (strengthening the family bond, and preserving their culture) and to be able to sell handicrafts more easily (spreading their culture farther).

    The choice is really between keeping their existing culture "pure" and unchanging, and slowly fading into obscurity; or embracing new things like the Internet, and accepting that their culture might change again.

    Re:The article provides the answer (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 04, @08:40AM (#1619)
    Samoan culture is thousands of years old, yet they attend christian churches. Obviously their culture changed after they made contact with outsiders who were christians (probably missionaries).

    Ah missionaries. I have always preferred the term cultural genocidists. I find it much more descriptive of their function and goal.

    it happens the world over (Score:1)
    by objectiveRevolution on Thursday September 02, @02:03PM (#1617)
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    the rise of american cultural hegemony is not isolated to the pacific islands of samoa, but rather spread far and wide through the means of multinational american media and corporate infiltration at almost every level of commerce in most industrialized/developing nations. pornography is the least of their worries, imo, though i suppose it speaks to a deeper corruption in what they consider their culture. despite anonymous coward's bravado claims of 'screw'ing culture and other abstract social constructs, are they not the things which define nations and those who belong to them? it is easy to stand idly by and pretend that each individual is an island of culture/ethnicity/nationality without any sort of context, but that is a shallow and simplistic view of the world as reality certainly does not reflect this concept. sure, abstract social constructs don't have rights, however the individuals who comprise them do, and it is their collective beliefs that make up the notion of a culture.

    to address the point of the post, though i believe in the paramount importance of free speech in america (which is being tested severely now), should that include the speech from others who have no concern for them except monetary gain? i believe that our government (u.s.) regularly censors and tramples on the rights of those who profess an alternate/opposing idealogical stance (especially in this current climate of governmental declarations that we should be fearful, uncertain and in doubt of our safety) to that of the current far-right-wing administration. perhaps free speech should be interpreted more narrowly in this arena and should encompass and apply to those who actually belong to the autonomous cultures/nations in question until we have a truly "global culture".
    Re:it happens the world over (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 08, @10:28AM (#1625)
    I like how you assume that since the topic is pornography that it's about the US. Japan and Europe are rather active porn producers as well. But I agree with the previous poster. This stuff about "save the culture" is utter crap. These people are no better than Bush which is saying they are utterly fucked. Some politician trying to play on people's paranoia about sexual issues is hardly news. The best idea would be to ignore this kind of grandstanding. Where did the culture come from if people don't fuck? Where is the problem with sex? Why is sex automatically ugly? The answer is obvious, it is not. It is simply that people are scared to speak of it, so politicians use that fear as a tool. This is a lesson straight from the US administration --scare the people to stay in power.
    Re:it happens the world over (Score:1)
    by FreshyNZ on Thursday January 05, @03:10PM (#1709)
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    I am a Samoan, and I believe that the Samoan Government should put restrictions on internet content. Samoa is not against change, but Samoans do want a certain level of control over change. In this globalising world people talk of a globalised culture, a global village. I do not subscribe to such notions of universality, as I believe humans are inherently diverse and could never have a singular culture. However the trend shows that as world markets become more and more integrated, that nations lose levels of autonomy and sovereignty, therefore it is in this reality or context that Samoans demand control over what sort of future our people will live while we still can. I would hardly call this fearmongering... that's something I would leave to President Bush.

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