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Miller and Von Lohmann on Fisher's Proposal
posted by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @03:58AM
from the now-this-gets-interesting dept.
News My Greplaw piece, Professor Fisher and The Red Eye, has provoked further reactions. Mr Derek Slater (of Copyfighter's musings fame) probably thinks I did not do my homework properly, but then again, I am not a psychic. Next time I comment on something Professor Fisher wrote for Cnet News.com, I will be sure to bring my Tarot card deck to see if he actually means something else than what's in the column. I stated, based on the facts presented in Professor Fisher's Cnet Column, that Professor William W. Fisher, III, had presented a proposition that is to copyright what Sauron’s Red Eye was to the citizens of Middle-earth. Using such hyperbole - Tarot jokes aside - I should probably have tried to find more information on Professor Fisher's proposal (at least through Google) and I apologize for any confusion my Greplaw opinion piece may have caused.

On the brighter side, a new debate has spurned following my piece, where Professor Fisher's original proposal (PDF-document, not linked from the Cnet piece) is discussed and where Mr Fred von Lohmann (of EFF fame) and Mr Ernest Miller (of Lawmeme fame) has chipped in. The discussion took place on Mr John Parres' and Mr Jim Griffin's Pho mailing list, but Mr Derek Slater has been good enough to collect the entire exchange on a web page. Oh yes, and by the way, even though the dog ate my homework, I am still concerned over the privacy implications of Professor Fisher's proposal.

Read the exchange on Professor Fisher's proposal.

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    Miller and Von Lohmann on Fisher's Proposal | Login/Create an Account | Top | 6 comments | Search Discussion
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    Blogerati (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 08, @09:18AM (#987)
    I realize that blogging "I said A, and x said B, and y said C" is part of what blogging is all about... it is a feature of blogging, not a bug.

    Yet, having spent a lot of time with blogs in the past few years, sometimes I miss the (perceived?) social detachment in the old news and feel the blog thing (especially today's copyfight blog thing) is captured by club mentality. Anyone share this sentitment? Perhaps it is just sour grapes of a non-participant -- see, e.g., this classic rant [fawny.org]. Any other links?

    Note that I'm posting this as an anonymous coward...

    Re:Blogerati (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @09:54AM (#988)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    I think it is a copyright club more than a blog club. This is a problem, because new radical ideas may be diluted by the club's common meme.

    However - and as the discussion on Professor Fisher's proposal suggests - this may be a bigger problem in theory than in practice. After all, we are not single-mindedly singing hallelujah [gospelcom.net] over Professor Fisher's proposal. On the contrary, I have called it the Red Eye of Copyright, Mr Miller has slashed it thouroughly and Mr Slater and Von Lohmann has defended it.

    Still, it is important for new voices to chip in and comment. But I guess the powerlaws of blogging [shirky.com] may work the other way around, keeping the club small and exclusive.

    Regards,

    Mikael
    Re:Blogerati (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 08, @11:12AM (#990)
    I was thinking of it more as a "copyright blog club" actually. The dilution of radical ideas via Internet groupthink (a la Cass Sunstein) honestly wasn't even on my radar. I think the copyright blog crowd is fairly uniformly copyleft, but that doesn't bug me, since I'm fairly uniformly copyleft myself.

    It's hard for me to articulate what my main concern is, other than to say that at times I'm not sure whether to read the numerous blawgs out there as academic debates or simply exposed webs of social relationships. They're a hybrid, of course... and social dynamics are transparent in a lot of blogging (and blogrolling). That's not a bad thing if blogs are read as communities of friends, where one would expect this. But I read the blogs of my friends for different reasons than I read Greplaw. I'm not sure what the point is, but an interest in "fame" (a word which appears (perhaps ironically) in your first post) seems to pervade a lot of copyright blawgs, doesn't it?

    Sincerely,
    Anonymous Coward

    Re:Blogerati (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 08, @11:23AM (#992)
    While I'm at it, let me coin a new term to capture the crux of my observations: "blog-schmoozing"

    Now if you think blogging is all about virtual schmoozing, then there is nothing to see here, move along.

    AC

    Re:Blogerati (Score:2)
    by mpawlo on Friday August 08, @02:46PM (#1000)
    User #42 Info | http://www.pawlo.com/
    'But I read the blogs of my friends for different reasons than I read Greplaw. I'm not sure what the point is, but an interest in "fame" (a word which appears (perhaps ironically) in your first post) seems to pervade a lot of copyright blawgs, doesn't it?'

    Well, the Seven Deadly Sins [deadlysins.com] have always worked fine as incentive. If an interest in fame pervade the blogs, I think that it's perfectly okay as long as it doesn't perverse the blogs.

    However, if you think that Greplaw is turning into some hug-all-club, then maybe we should turn more to the New York Times way of reporting news. Alas, it may turn out to be a little bit on the boring side. After all - we deal with the law.

    Regards,

    Mikael
    Oversimplification (Score:1)
    by LuYu on Sunday August 10, @09:25AM (#1019)
    User #460 Info | http://grep.law.harvard.edu/

    It appears that the curtness of Professor Fishers article had more than one victim. When reading Derek Slater's posts, I was quickly aware that the original article did not contain anything but a sprinkling of what he was talking about. I will be sure to bring my divining rod on the next occasion as well ;)

    For the record, I am still not comfortable with the government collecting the revenues from the sales of ideas. It seems correct that the burden of collecting revenues should fall on the seller and not the state.

    "Anyone who doesn't quote me is paraphrasing."

    Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition. - Isaac Asimov

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